Круиз контроль, установка и прошивка (с. 112)

Vadim4eg

16 February 2010

MAR
Контакты разные, если чо

volkanerr

19 February 2010

Hello.

I'm from Turkey. I found your forum. And learned a lot about my ford. Thank you.

Now I'm trying to install cruise control to my c-max. I plugged in my buttons directly to the fuse box. But with IDS I cannot enter the "personal settings" menu in the programmable parameters list. In the PCM I activated CC. But in the fuse box and in the insrument cluster I could not activate cruise control.

My fuse box is 14A073-CF. Is this module support cruise control? Physically it is the same with other 14A073 modules. But the last letters CF is different. I tried to copy the program of the module of a ghia to my trend with IDS. First it saved. But after closing the session and opening a new session again it didn't enter to personal settings menu in the programmable parameters menu.

How did you solve this problem with 14A073-CF module?

Also I tried to download the module program from ford etis directly with VIN number. But in Turkey, there is no trend with originally cruise control. If some of you have an originally cruise control in his gasoline trend, please give me your cars VIN number. So I download it's module program from etis.

I use google.translate to read your forum. So sorry for the language.

Thanks for your help.

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Здравствуйте.

Я из Турции. Я нашел ваш форум. И узнали много нового о моей Ford. Спасибо.

Теперь я пытаюсь установить круиз-контроль с моей C-Max. Я подключен в мои кнопки непосредственно на предохранитель. Но с IDS я не могу войти в "личные настройки" в меню программируемый список параметров. В PCM я активировал CC. Но в блок предохранителей и в кластере Приборостроение я не могу активировать круиз-контроль.

[B] Мой предохранитель окно 14A073-CF [/ B]. Этот модуль управления круиз-поддержка? Физически это то же самое с другой 14A073 модули. Но последнее письмо CF отличается. Я попытался скопировать программу модуля Ghia моей тенденцию с IDS. Сначала он сохранен. Но после закрытия сессии и открытия новой сессии вновь не приходило в личном меню настроек в меню программируемых параметров.

Как вы решите эту проблему с 14A073-CF модуль?

Кроме того, я пытался скачать программный модуль от Форда ЕТИС непосредственно с VIN номер. Но в Турции, нет никакой тенденции с первоначально круиз-контроль. Если некоторые из вас изначально круиз-контроль в его бензином тенденции, пожалуйста, дайте мне ваш номер VIN автомобиля. Так что я скачать это программный модуль с ЕТИС.

Я использую google.translate читать Ваш форум. Простите за язык.

Спасибо за вашу помощь.

Leelick

19 February 2010

MAR
Не через те контакты, я брал справа от разъема, который на круиз и сигнал

Vadim4eg

19 February 2010

1

volkanerr
Hi.
Cruise need to be activated in 3 modules:
It's: PCM (Engine module), GEM (fuse box) & IC (Instrumental Claster).
All of this modules supports cruise control (year of manufacture is not important

)
In what module you have a problem, during activation CC?
IC and GEM?
Send me your VIN to my personal mail (http://ffclub.ru/mail/write/83603/) I'll try to help you

V

volkanerr

19 February 2010

Thanks four your help. And sorry for not being able to speak Russian.

My GEM module code is 14A073-CF. I tried at ford service center. They have to different IDS's. Also we tried with old WDS. We activated CC from PCM. But IC and GEM is in another menu. But when we try to enter "personal settings" menu in "programmable parameters" IDS gives "DATA ERROR". We openned session in another ghia, then saved session on my trend. But after opening a new session, again IDS gives the same DATA ERROR.

Then I found a new version of GEM module which has a part number of 14A073-FB from a wrecked 2008 FII. Technicians said this new GEM module is the high version, my original GEM module is low version which does not contains CC menu in it. So we tried the new module.

Today, during all day I plugged the new GEM module which ends with FB. We download GEM module program of a 2010 c-max trend which has CC originally. We entered its VIN number as mine. By this way, we programmed new GEM module to my trend.

All features like "leaving home" which doesn't exist in my old GEM worked with the new one. Also we activated CC from PCM, IC, and GEM. But still CC does not take into action.

I checked my resistances, buttons a lot of times. But they work pretty good.

I use the #10 and #18 pins in the socket. I measured the voltage between these pins and its about 4.5V.

I know that there is no connection between GEM and the steering wheel. But I plugged my buttons directly to the socket on the GEM module.

Am I doing wrong at any point?

Thank you for your help.

burya

19 February 2010

1

...парни , надо помочь человеку...кто там с инглишем дружет ?

zero_cool

19 February 2010

burya
Как кто - google.translate

А вообще парню помочь действительно надо. Я так понял что у них в Турции не все ладно с IDS наверное форд по закрыл все "лишнее" или просто как обычно беда с людьми.

Vadim4eg

19 February 2010

zero_cool
burya
Я общаюсь с ним в личке

Скажите мне товарищи, дабы не перерывать весь форум: должо ли быть напряжение в 4,5В на контактах кнопок КК???
И если нет продов к рулю для КК, то в геме это пины 10 и 18?

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Electronic

20 February 2010

Vadim4eg
На одном плюс около 5 В, другой общий, т.е. 0 аналоговый. Я проводил тоже от разъема, т.к. проводки не было. От версии модуля GEM точно не зависит, все зависит от прокладки между компьютером и программой

. Думаю он просто не нашел в меню где включать. В каждом релизе программы пункты называются по-разному, по крайней мере в русской версии. В турецкой может быть все еще хуже

Vadim4eg

20 February 2010

1

Electronic
Пока что сказал ему сделать тест кнопок через включение заднего обогрева (на самом деле много че сказал

), т.е. проверить правильность подключения и если все верно, то остается только прошивка.
Я ему дам асбилт, что б не парился бедняго...

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volkanerr

20 February 2010

Sorry but something is misunderstood I think.

Our friend said something about rear window heater button. But I didn't understood. And then I translated the last message and think that my word "resistance" (which I meant resistance in the buttons) was understood as rear window resistance.

If I misunderstood, then can you give some more details about the relation of the CC buttons and the rear window heater button and also signals to test?

Thank you.

Vadim4eg

20 February 2010

1

Now you should check the connections of buttons with GEM:
When you start your engine, push "heat of rear window", Press and hold it until such time as your headlight turn signals be switched.
Try other buttons at your car.
When you click any button in your car, indicators should blink and you should hear a squeak.
If all goes well - you see and hear all the above-said.
Check the contacts and connection of buttons and resistors.
Somewhere there is a problem, once you have an incorrect value...

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volkanerr

20 February 2010

Thank you so much Vadim4eg.

I didn't know a way like this to test the buttons. This will help me a lot.

Is this method still works for cc buttons if CC is not activated succesfully?

Vadim4eg

20 February 2010

У человека сопротивление при нажатии кнопок 120-300-600-1110 ом...
А когда ничего не нажато - 2110!!!
Что то не так... По ходу схема не верная...

volkanerr
Check your scheme!
It must be like this!!!

Vadim4eg

20 February 2010

V

volkanerr:

Thank you so much Vadim4eg.

I didn't know a way like this to test the buttons. This will help me a lot.

Is this method still works for cc buttons if CC is not activated succesfully?

it works even if the buttons were not activated

Vadim4eg

20 February 2010

Oh!
If as-built data that you send me is installed in your GEM & IC modules - everything at a programmatic level works correctly!

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volkanerr

20 February 2010

1

As-built data that I sent you was the data that zero-cool sent them to me. My new GEM is programmed with the data of a 2010 trend c-max with cruise control.

But I will as-built the data that zero-cool sent to me, to my original GEM module soon. Before it, with the plugged new GEM module, I will check the buttons with rear window heater test.

I saved the as-built data of my VIN. And I will use it.

I wish it works.

Thank you.

V

volkanerr

20 February 2010

Also the resistance values are ;

unpressed; 2110
on; 1110
resume; 600
+; 300
-; 120
off; 0

I used 120,180,300,510,1000 ohm resistances.

Vadim4eg

20 February 2010

volkanerr
Don't try new as-built!!!
It isn't yours!!!
Something will not work correctly in your car!!!
I'll generate your as-built data if you'll send me YOUR as-built from IC&GEM!!!

message was edited

4ETBEPKA

20 February 2010

Vadim4eg
Позвольте влезть в разговор... По схеме как раз получается, что сопротивление = 0 при нажатой кнопке OFF, а без нажатых кнопок меж проводами подключены последовательно все сопротивления, соответственно общее R=R1+R2... т. е. как раз около тех самых 2110, как указано выше!

Vadim4eg

20 February 2010

4ETBEPKA
Блин.. я был не прав.. не верно выбрал значение на мультиметре в первый раз... оно мне и показывало 0...

volkanerr
I'm sorry! I was wrong. Your schem is correct.!
Now send me your as-built, which installed in IC and GEM!

Probe 1

20 February 2010

О, уже выходим на международный уровень!

Probe 1

20 February 2010

Ещё. Можно кнопку Off не ставить.

FORDIAGNOSTIC_1

20 February 2010

1

Send to me the VIN, for generating ASBUILT, for a Instrument Cluster and the Fuse Box GEM.

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volkanerr

20 February 2010

Today I'm going to plug my original, not as-builted GEM. This GEM does not allows to enter the CC settings menu. Says DATA ERROR. And it's code is 14A073-CF This GEM which ends with CF is low level one said technicians. Still can it be activated for CC?

My VIN number is; WF0MXXGCDM3J46755

zero-cool has already sent me as-built data for my VIN as;
720-01-01 C4C2 1115 D5
720-02-01 5757 5757 57DD
720-03-01 5746 304D 589D
720-03-02 5847 4344 4D9F
720-03-03 334A 3436 374B
720-03-04 3535 98

726-01-01 6404 50FE E5
726-02-01 2704 338Е

Is this data suitable for my VIN? And if I as-built this data, is CC will be activated directly? Or menu will be activated to enable CC? Is this data generated for my car only with additional CC?

Sorry, but all of you know more than my technician. So I try to understand you. But it'S a bit difficult.

I have to learn a lot from you.

Thank you.

Vadim4eg

20 February 2010

FORDIAGNOSTIC_1
Ему уже давно выслали АС-билт

Продублирую сюда так же!
Я запутал человека по полной

zero-cool send you right as-built!
Try it!!!
I'm sorry that confuse you!!!

720-01-01 C4C2 1115 D5
720-02-01 5757 5757 57DD
720-03-01 5746 304D 589D
720-03-02 5847 4344 4D9F
720-03-03 334A 3436 374B
720-03-04 3535 98

726-01-01 6404 50FE E5
726-02-01 2704 338Е

Vadim4eg

20 February 2010

volkanerr
You'll need to "install a new module" in IDS!
FORDIAGNOSTIC_1 tell you more about this!!!

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volkanerr

20 February 2010

Thank you Vadim4eg.

What a cool thing to be helped from Russia when technicians can'T help me

Vadim4eg;
When this as-built data installed to my old -CF ending low level GEM, is CC be activated directly? Or it activates the menu that enables CC?

Last;
How can you find these data

From ETIS?

FORDIAGNOSTIC_1

20 February 2010

volkanerr

http://s001.radikal.ru/i195/1002/92/c589002bfe35.jpg

Vadim4eg

20 February 2010

volkanerr
When this data will be installed in your GEM&IC - everything must work good

Assuming that the module PCM activated right!

Not from ETIS

We haven't access to OASIS, where you can get as-built data...
We calculate it in brain , with engineering calculator